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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #60 - 03/10/15 at 16:08:43
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I don't know for sure, but the fender brace seems like it was made from heavier gauge steel.  But that wouldn't explain the good condition of the wood. 

On my current project, the braces are in fairly decent condition, but the wood was gone. Cheesy 

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Reply #61 - 05/04/15 at 04:01:46
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Hoover has been neglected for several months now,  but I am hoping to get in a few hours each week,  to make a little progress at a time.

This past weekend I was able to get some work done on fenders . .

Photos show "before"  (well, actually after some work done)

The passenger fender will need metal replacement at the rear.  Both need numerous cracks welded,  and the driver side has a very wavy top.   I was tempted to slap some bondo on there after welding in a patch to replace rust section,  but instead will try to get it as straight as I can with dolly and shrinking.  (never knew anthing about those two methods until this year.  Grin)
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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #62 - 05/04/15 at 16:52:19
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Why are PO's so evil to the fenders??  You have a few challenges, but looking back on your build, you'll make them look like new!

On my first 3A, I finally punted.  I cut the old tops out and replaced the skin with new 16 gauge steel.  I just couldn't get them to look flat.  That darn brace was messing with me.

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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #63 - 05/04/15 at 20:46:59
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athawk11 wrote on 05/04/15 at 16:52:19:
Why are PO's so evil to the fenders??  You have a few challenges, but looking back on your build, you'll make them look like new!

On my first 3A, I finally punted.  I cut the old tops out and replaced the skin with new 16 gauge steel.  I just couldn't get them to look flat.  That darn brace was messing with me.

Tim

I think I mentioned earlier in thread,  this Jeep looked like it was run in a demolition derby.   Some of the dents were crazy deep and deformed.  . .  my first plan was to cut the tops out and replace with new metal,  but then thought I could use this as learning experience.   I have always been a "weld it up,  knock it close with hammer, and cover with bondo" bodyman.  Embarrassed  . . I want to try to improve on that.
It is looking better since these photos were taken.  The radius on the edge is close to original,  front to back.    I still have some dents to get out on top.   I was fooling with torch shrinking,  but I think I am too heavy handed.   I ordered a shrinking disk,  and will try that next. 
All else fails,  back to plan A,   cut it all out and put a flat piece in.  Grin
Actually for this build,  I am not planning perfection,  a few dents and deformities will add a little "character"  Smiley
  
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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #64 - 06/11/15 at 03:42:11
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I have had so little time to work on Hoover.   Sad   . . . most likely I am going to give up on trying to "hammer" the fender to straightness.   Probably going to cut it out, and replace with new straight metal.
  
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Reply #65 - 06/11/15 at 03:49:50
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With the fender setting in corner,  I switched attention to windshield frame.  Glass and attachments have been removed . .   most of extra layers of paint are removed.
This progress has been made an hour at a time over past few weeks.
Question ->  any suggestions on straightening the channel for top?   I am thinking maybe some kind of "L" bracket on a slide hammer?
  

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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #66 - 12/13/15 at 04:16:53
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Hoover has been neglected for too long!

Today was an amazingly nice weather day for December, and I pulled the tarp off of Hoover  . . (to remember what it looked like.  Grin ) .. then, could not help myself, and decided to make somekind of progress today.

The worst looking area was the passenger rear corner,  so that was my goal.  I was planning to use 18ga,  because that seemed to be the original,  but only had a piece of 16ga large enough. . .  Wow,  what a pain!   I am amatuer,  so there might have been easier method,  but it was tough to make a consistent curve on the corner.

For the 90deg flange I used the trusty 2 angle-irons clamped to workbench with big C-clamps . . that went great  . . .  it was the corner that was a pain.   Using a rubber dead-blow hammer -> I tried forming around a 2.5" dia solid steel slug, and a 3" diameter tubing,  but got mixed results.  In the end I used some probably unconventional methods,  but got reasonably close.  Embarrassed

I will make sure radius at bottom and top are correct, (when welding the flanges)  plus it will be pulled tight to the spare-tire bracket in middle.   This should ensure correct radius,  when done.

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Reply #67 - 12/13/15 at 04:22:38
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Obviously,  I still have a ways to go,  but ran out of time.

Mine was completely rusted out behind the bracket for soft-top,  so I have to replace all the way to top.
  
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Reply #68 - 12/17/15 at 04:09:39
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Today's progress,   some work on passenger-side fender.

This fender was oddly in very good shape in some places,  but rusted badly where it attached to body.   The photos below show the patches needed to replace missing or very thin metal.

Note the use of magnets from PC hard-drive to hold one of the replacement pieces.   Grin
  

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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #69 - 12/17/15 at 04:38:12
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That rear corner curve is pretty tough to reproduce.  Nice work!

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Reply #70 - 12/17/15 at 19:44:02
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Looking back on the build it's almost as someone actually tried to kill the little beast but it fought back to live another day. Keep up the good work!
  

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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #71 - 12/17/15 at 23:51:14
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You got drive and stamina. Just don't skim it with bondo, use fine cut fiberglass filler. It's water resistant and stronger. John
  
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Reply #72 - 02/22/16 at 21:54:11
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Oilleaker1 wrote on 12/17/15 at 23:51:14:
You got drive and stamina. Just don't skim it with bondo, use fine cut fiberglass filler. It's water resistant and stronger. John


Thanks  . .  I have been using the fine cut fiberglass in place of plain bondo in some previous projects,  and was planning to use it for this.
  
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Reply #73 - 02/22/16 at 22:01:34
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Some more nice weather,  so pulled the tarp off again,  then got the fever and even rolled it to the garage.

Got some patches welded in various places.   Also got the "bulge" out of top of passenger fender.   I had never heard of "shrinking" of metal before,  but it worked very well. . .  before I started,  the flat part of fender was bowed up,  and would "oil-can" when pushing down on it.   After the shrinking,  it is relatively flat.     You can see the blue "burn" marks on top of fender where I hit it with shrinking disk, and a water-soaked towel.

  

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Re: The preservation of "Hoover" - my '51 CJ3A
Reply #74 - 02/23/16 at 03:05:58
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Looking good!
  

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